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    Quote Originally Posted by ANeutron View Post
    You do know that ALL os'es currently support capacitive touch screens, right? Just that Win8 will be slightly more friendly for the OS? They're interpreted as mouse interaction and work perfectly well.
    Yes, Windows 7 supports touch, but there are no capacitative touch tablets on the market Windows 7 as far as I know. There will be loads od touch tablets for Windows 8.

    There will be no touch tablets for OS X either. (Unless you count iOS as a version of OS X, and iOS is limited, as I said.)

    Quote Originally Posted by ANeutron View Post
    Touch isn't new. And you're making some big assumptions about people shifting the focus of their DAW development from the studio to the stage.
    I said that Windows 8 will be big news "in the world of touch apps". I didnīt say that touch apps will take over from other apps. That's another discussion entirely.

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    So anyway, Mac has Mounting Lion coming out in the summer, and aren't they a little ahead on the touch green stuff what with iPad n all that.

    And since going Mac, I do prefer it over windows, and not too bothered about the touch screen side of things personally. There's still a lot to be said for tactile control, although I do remember a chat on Ableton website and one of the software developers for an app was saying they might be developing knobs you can attach to the screen(temporarily I hope) to make the whole touch screen tech a little bit more real world
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhoggard View Post
    Yes, Windows 7 supports touch, but there are no capacitative touch tablets on the market Windows 7 as far as I know. There will be loads od touch tablets for Windows 8.
    Are you for real?

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&...t+PC+windows+7

    There will be no touch tablets for OS X either. (Unless you count iOS as a version of OS X, and iOS is limited, as I said.)
    Just because you said it doesn't make it true. The main limitations are the inputs and hardware; the latter is advancing just fine, and the former will arise if there's a market for it... and with a huge established userbase already, I think you'll be surprised.

    I said that Windows 8 will be big news "in the world of touch apps". I didnīt say that touch apps will take over from other apps.
    Mystic meg right there. Your point might have been this (and blindingly obvious) but you dressed it up in nonsense.
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    The way I see it (may take some time for processing power to catchup) is as follows.

    Your tablet will be your Processing unit. Nice and portable with a usable screen for when on the move.
    When in this mode Win 8 will switch to mobile mode.

    Then you get to your studio plug your tablet into a dock (with keyboard and mouse) and then win 8 switches to desktop mode.

    Now hopefully apps will also do the same. Now you'd do all of your recording in desktop mode with all your fancy USB based input devices.

    Then when on the move you can tinker with the track in mobile mode, maybe even do a quick guitar/vocal overdub with a mobile device attached.

    Now all of your big files will sit in the "cloud" somewhere, be that at home or something like drop box.

    The same would happen with other apps such as photoshop, etc,etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhoggard View Post

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    get a mac.

    I mean be serious, a gimmick is more important than stability & reliability?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim_branning View Post
    get a mac.

    I mean be serious, a gimmick is more important than stability & reliability?
    W7 is just as stable as Mac now, assuming you're not downloading loads of pRon and have a dedicated DAW.

    In fact I know a couple of guys running Mac Pros against W7 PCs in a big scoring studio in LA who's switching to PC at home due to unreliability issues with his Mac setup (hardware and software related)

    The debate that Mac's are inherantly more stable just isn't as relevant anymore, especially when you take the big cost difference into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehLORD View Post
    W7 is just as stable as Mac now, assuming you're not downloading loads of pRon and have a dedicated DAW.

    In fact I know a couple of guys running Mac Pros against W7 PCs in a big scoring studio in LA who's switching to PC at home due to unreliability issues with his Mac setup (hardware and software related)

    The debate that Mac's are inherantly more stable just isn't as relevant anymore, especially when you take the big cost difference into account.
    ^ Nice to know TL. I hope that W8 builds on that stability and we do not get another Blista for the sake of a few touch screen do-dads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehLORD View Post
    W7 is just as stable as Mac now, assuming you're not downloading loads of pRon and have a dedicated DAW.

    In fact I know a couple of guys running Mac Pros against W7 PCs in a big scoring studio in LA who's switching to PC at home due to unreliability issues with his Mac setup (hardware and software related)

    The debate that Mac's are inherantly more stable just isn't as relevant anymore, especially when you take the big cost difference into account.
    well it perhaps is relevant, or the entire professional film, tv and most of the music industry wouldn't use them.

    But yes as you say, if you don't go on-line to save overheads from protection s/w it's more ideal, but few typical home users have that luxury of being able to run one machine for work and one for web.

    these users in the usa must be quite unique anyway.I wonder what they are running that's problematic?

    as to the topic, it's odd this whole control business. I find even if you have a controller system one tends to just use the mouse and keys as usual. and as mentioned, one needs screen estate above touch-screen. Bit of a gimmick imo, designed more for tablets, but then thats where typical home computing (browse & email mainly) is going anyway let's face it.

    i spose apple has the magic trackpad thingy one can use if you really prefer finger touch to mouse
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    "but few typical home users have that luxury of being able to run one machine for work and one for web."

    Oh come on Jim! Even a digital dunce like me knows that you only need a bog standar P4 2G pc to run Web and "office" duties. Such a machine could be picked up S/H very cheaply and the main dosh spent on a dedicated music pc and STILL have change out of a "big mac"!

    I always tell noobs on forums who ask about replacing a 10 year old clunker NOT to sling it but to network it (copper!) to the new pc and plug in as required. I also suggested, when they were cheap(!) that they fit a 1TB drive in the old machine as a backup store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim_branning View Post
    well it perhaps is relevant, or the entire professional film, tv and most of the music industry wouldn't use them.

    But yes as you say, if you don't go on-line to save overheads from protection s/w it's more ideal, but few typical home users have that luxury of being able to run one machine for work and one for web.

    these users in the usa must be quite unique anyway.I wonder what they are running that's problematic?

    as to the topic, it's odd this whole control business. I find even if you have a controller system one tends to just use the mouse and keys as usual. and as mentioned, one needs screen estate above touch-screen. Bit of a gimmick imo, designed more for tablets, but then thats where typical home computing (browse & email mainly) is going anyway let's face it.

    i spose apple has the magic trackpad thingy one can use if you really prefer finger touch to mouse

    These guys run huge networked Mac Pro setups in the studio and that's not going to be changing for the foreseeable.

    One of them has had two motherboards fail on his out of warranty Mac Pro at home, and I believe they're called something fancy like Logic boards and are $1k a throw. He's also instability with whatever the latest OS is with random crashes. His is a totally dedicated DAW machine, with nothing weird on it at all. Interestingly he also has dual iPad touchscreens for DAW control, although I still prefer physical knobs and faders myself. It's possibly also worth noting that there are plenty of rumours that Apple will be ditching it's Mac Pro line in the not too distant future in favour of infinitely more profitable i products. Where that'll leave the professional community is anyone's guess.

    I'm not knocking teh Macs at all, I plan on getting a hugely powerful 27" iMac soon which is plenty for running any kind of home DAW. I really have a Logic itch

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