Quick Tube Screamer "vs" Bad Monkey question..

[Jaded]

What things are designed for and what they are used for is not always the same.

Some of the best noises ever made were made by people using things wrongly.

Never said it was wrong to use it for pushing an amp (otherwise i'd have mentioned it earlier). TheThingThatShouldNotBe stated they were designed to push an amp, which they weren't otherwise that would have been stated in the manual etc... right? (not saying they don't work great in that application either).

Anyway judging by what i've read here i'd be using it incorrectly if i use one for anything other than a boost anyway

[TheThingThatShouldNotBe]

They were designed to sound like an overdriven tube amp, not to push one. It's in the sales literature link and the manuals link





I've got an OD-2 and OD-2r already. The turbo mode is amazing with lower gain but once you start turning it up past 10 o'clock it gets way too bassy for what i want.

Yeah ofcourse but they werent ever going to be anything other than a light to moderate overdrive texture they must have known that having that much boost on tap would also cause the preamp valves to clip .

On my Turbo Overdrive 10 oclock is still more distortion compared to max TS .

[ICBM]

They were designed to sound like an overdriven tube amp, not to push one. It's in the sales literature link and the manuals link

They were, but experience shows that they're better used to push an amp than to provide all the dirt - on their own they usually sound boxy and flat.

I always find 'distortion' pedals sound better when used to provide all the dirt into a clean amp. This was a great surprise to me when I first discovered it, since I thought I was trying to get an 'overdrive' sound!

I've got an OD-2 and OD-2r already. The turbo mode is amazing with lower gain but once you start turning it up past 10 o'clock it gets way too bassy for what i want.

The OS-2 Overdrive/Distortion is also a great pedal to get for this, and lets you hear exactly how the two types of sound work with the same amp.

[Jaded]

Yeah ofcourse but they werent ever going to be anything other than a light to moderate overdrive texture they must have known that having that much boost on tap would also cause the preamp valves to clip .

On my Turbo Overdrive 10 oclock is still more distortion compared to max TS .

Quite probably, though at the time i could imagine they were likely aiming at the solid state market. Regardless they did prove to be fantastic at pushing valve amps.
I'll just have to compare them when the TS arrives

They were, but experience shows that they're better used to push an amp than to provide all the dirt - on their own they usually sound boxy and flat.

I don't need a big all encompassing drive though, the other guy is all scooped mids. It's specifically for the boxy, mid ranged sound.

I always find 'distortion' pedals sound better when used to provide all the dirt into a clean amp. This was a great surprise to me when I first discovered it, since I thought I was trying to get an 'overdrive' sound!

Again thats what the big muff is for (or the RAT, HM-2, Guv'nor, PW-2, DF-2 and DS-1). The TS is for a specific purpose

The OS-2 Overdrive/Distortion is also a great pedal to get for this, and lets you hear exactly how the two types of sound work with the same amp.

I've always heard they sound particularly bad? They're cheap enough, i might try one out just for the sake of it (along with the Joyo OCD clone).

[ICBM]

I don't need a big all encompassing drive though, the other guy is all scooped mids. It's specifically for the boxy, mid ranged sound.

In that case a Tube Screamer will be fine .

I still think its funny that the pedal they designed to sound like an overdrive valve amp, doesn't, as much as a "distortion" pedal... but is great at making a valve amp distort better!

Again thats what the big muff is for (or the RAT, HM-2, Guv'nor, PW-2, DF-2 and DS-1). The TS is for a specific purpose

Exactly, which is why I have both types. Although my TS is a Boss SD-1...

I've always heard they sound particularly bad? They're cheap enough, i might try one out just for the sake of it (along with the Joyo OCD clone).

I have an odd story about OS-2s. The first one I had was broken when I got it, I fixed it and it sounded fantastic. I've had about three or four since then, and none of them sounded as good... so I don't know if the first one sounded like that because it was broken, although it was just the switching circuit as far as I could tell.

The other ones didn't sound bad, just not as great as the first one...

[Elvis2]

My two favourite overdrives are a BYOC overdrive (ts 808 clone) and a Boss OS2 turbo overdrive. The Boss OS2 is my go to ovedrive for recording guitars with single coil pickups and is the only overdrive i have found that works with my Jazzmaster. The Mesa Boogie V-Twin is a great pedal for overdrive too but it doesnt sound great with every amp. I lent mine to a friend who uses it with a Roland Bolt tube amp that
has a really shitty sounding gain channel and now everything he plays sounds like Gary f###ing Moore having a good day.

[Sir Axeman]

Save your money and get a Joyo Vintage Drive. For £29 this is a great Tubescreamer clone. If you want more drive get the Joyo Ultimate Drive also £29, better still buy both and run the Vintage into the Ultimate for a great lead sound even with a clean amp.

I'd totally agree with this...I'm a huge fan of the mk 1 Dano Coolcat Drives - I've got the TOD and the Overdrive (gold n silver wuns) and I love 'em both. But the TOD is absolutely my fave! Not oodles of gain, but again that classic TS middy rich tone. And if the Joyo's are anything like i'm hearing (i'm a beliver and want 'em myself!) then they'll do the trick nicely.

I had a TS a while ago but the Turbo DS (bought off nocaster of this parish) and it was no doubt a great pedal. My problem with it was on odd occasions it liked to double up as a radio...which my Bad Monkey, SD-1, and 2 Dano's never did. And of course secondly...it didn't really sound 'that' different or better than my other pedals! So I'm now camped in the field that says Ibanez TS pedals whilst great are overpriced! Loads of much cheaper pedals sound just as good! So why pay more?

And also I do like the trick of using 2 OD pedals one driving the other for a lead tone. I've had my Bad Monkey on and before it had my Dano TOD and had a really nice rhythm tone...plenty of crunch for chords/riffs...then stomp on the Dano and it goes into a really rich creamy meltdown tone! Yum.

And my AC30 LOVES the Dano TOD as well!!!

[Jaded]

Well the TS-10 arrived, sounds great. Exactly what i was after and sounds nothing like my OD-2's surprisingly (though it does bare some similarities to the SD-2).

Only issue is a slightly temperamental footswitch, though i'm sure a little WD-40 or something similar in there and it'll be right as rain.

[Nick.Botfield]

Which is best for focussing metal chuggery? None of this pushing a valve amp into slightly more distortion nonsense.

[Sir Axeman]

Metal chuggery on a TS type pedal? Uh?? All the more confusing with your ending words!

as sensible sounding as which Metal distortion pedal for teh best jazz tone?