timing and sitting back on the beat

[musophilr]

John Scofield plays behind the beat too. A teacher I had said if you listen to Sax players too, due to the wayt he note is generated they're often behind the beat.

I'm in good company, then

[BlindLemonAde]

I wonder...

Linford Christie said he started on the "B" of "Bang!"...

so we're trying to play on the "e" of "Note".

[erictheweary]

John Scofield plays behind the beat too. A teacher I had said if you listen to Sax players too, due to the wayt he note is generated they're often behind the beat.

my 20 minutes on a guitar this week was trying to learn One Step Beyond. I know the chord changes ( in my sleep, well there are only 3 chords) but I thought I might learn the sax part. Easy enough note wise ( ignoring the solo in the middle for the time being and just going widdle widdle ) but the slurring and the timing is not at all like a typical guitar part.

[nickp]

Richie Blackmore was a fan of sax players and solos - I recall that he said that sax players were generally far superior musicians to guitarists and it is a good idea to study their playing more.

I've enough problems becoming an average bloody guitarist thanks very much

nick

[alexanderzz]

One important thing is to really listen to what other band members are doing. If you can compartmentalise or separate them out in your mind then so much the better. I've played in bands where, for instance, the keyboard player is only listening to himself and the rest of the band are continually having to adjust.

Another thing I find helps is to continually have my foot tapping. Then as long as you're 'locked in' with the drums then you shouldn't be speeding up (or possibly slowing down). You'll notice this a lot with big or military type bands - that even if they're not marching they will often keep the legs moving (often almost imperceptibly) to help keep rhythm.

Regards

[musophilr]

Richie Blackmore was a fan of sax players and solos - I recall that he said that sax players were generally far superior musicians to guitarists and it is a good idea to study their playing more.

lots of other peole have said that, too. Alan Limbrick at The Guitar Institute told us all to listen to sax players. I invested in a lot of John Coltrane records. Time I dug them out again.

[cacofonix]

You should be playing on the o-t of "note". That way you have the flexibility to move to the "n" (blues) or the "n" or "e" (swing).

You get the idea.

Practice the song with, then without backing and record yourself.

After the first few cringe sessions, you'll start to get more accurate.

[bertie]

were generally far superior musicians

not always desirable, far superior musicians tend to play far duller music IMHO

[saturnfive]

A few years back, I asked a very good drummer how to "get" playing behind the beat and he told me to listen to some Wilson Picket, in particular, the snare on "midnight hour"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGVGFfj7POA

As soon as I heard it I got it...it's not so much behind the beat as early for the next one

But yeah, I think before you can get really into that you have to be able to play the piece well enough that you can forget about the technicalities of playing and concentrate on the phrasing and timing. Also listen to some Billy Gibbons!

[JAYJO]

I think Adamson was an excellent guitarist and vocalist . Try singing the song in your head and stay focussed. Try not to be waiting to come in. Be in. I think he may have periods of not playing and just singing but the singing keeps him in the groove throughout.Tap your foot throughout also.