intresting Martino stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5oei...eature=related
worth watching
I've always thought, admittedly based on fairly superficial investigation, that Martino's teaching approach looks a bit too quirky unless you're either a dedicated jazzer who wants a comprehensive understanding of the greats, or a dyed in the wool Martino fan. Since I'm neither I've never followed up on an initial casual interest. Maybe I'm being unfair or short sighted.
Blueingreen, Martino's one of my favourite guitarists, and even I think his teaching is a bit 'out there' (in a good way)!
... even then there are better approaches IMHO.Originally Posted by Blueingreen
Howard Roberts is the man to go to for an approach into jazz.
Martino's method is simply not accessible- at least not to my brain.
Don't get me wrong- I love his playing and it works for him but I find his method impenetrable to say the least.
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Is that an Alembic ? It's one ugly mofo of a guitar !
I found it quite laboured - still no idea what the point he was making
iv worked through a book called Linear Expressions thats really good ..it gives you a lot of nice Jazz lines in the 5 positions with the corresponding scale then gives ideas on joining them up in the 12 keys then superimposing them over different chords....it opened up my thinking a lot and with a bit of preperation will help to solo over difficult chord progs....
i think his idea with it was to asoociate different runs or activities as he calls them with the different chords ....so when you see a chord play a activity...similar activities can be used for different chords...its a good book even just to get a lot of cool sounding runs...
i think its a good way of getting some new inversions of a 7th chord in the vid...basiclly he saying that by by taking a dim chord and flattening one of the notes you get a dom 7th chord ..so by doing this in 1 position you get all the 4 inversions...the note you flatten gives the root of the dom7th chord...
i think its a
intresting way to look at it..
I can't understand him either. I think it's better to read than to try and decipher what he's saying. I think the long and short of it is that he always uses the Dorian scale and uses different Dorian scales over different chords for different sounds. The best, and most understandable, Martino book is the Wolf Marshall Pat Martino Signature Licks.Is that an Alembic ? It's one ugly mofo of a guitar !
I found it quite laboured - still no idea what the point he was making
The conductor said I could get my bookbag and run around the hallway with it.
Hi Barney,
Great video sharing of Pat Martino quantum guitar and as I didn't saw this video before so thanks for sharing with others also. Found other videos on the link also so bookmarked the link and will share with my guitarist friends also. Keep sharing!
Communication glitch here I think - I was picturing a dedicated jazzer who thought he should be steeped in the playing of all the greats - including Martino. For the Martino related part of his education he'd naturally go to Martino. I wasn't suggesting that as a general approach to jazz guitar you'd go to Martino first.
The initial point he's starting from in the video seems a bit banal. Most players with even very basic jazz comping skills know that a dim7 shape will work as a rootless dom7-9 for any of the notes in the shape. It follows that if you flatten any note you're replacing the flat 9 with a root and will have a simple dom7 chord. So 4 dom7s from the diminished shape. That's quite a useful trick and it won't occur to every player straight away so it's good basic teaching. But I got the sense watching this that something fairly obvious was being sold to me as something more profound. Maybe that's totally unfair and Martino uses this simple observation to build some great teaching ideas as the course develops, but for me it made the start a little off-putting.
i just take any learning methods for what they are....the Martino stuff is great for some things and not so good for others ...just like any method...i think anybody should learn as many different ways as possible, theres no right way just different ways ...any of the Martino stuff has been great for me ...his Linear expressions gives loads of cool runs that will work over different chords ..it gives a good solid foundation i think....the Sal Salvador books are brilliant as well...a different method but good in its own way.....keep a open mind ..thats what i say...
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