Which scales

[JAYJO]

Thanks Barney, Im a bit confused with the f# in relation to the C and C6. Also would it be possible to use the em penta from the C scale (phrygian) to sound outside notes. I will experiment though not had a chance to yet. cheers.

[barney.]

It gives it a lydian sound...C lydian is the fourth mode of. G major ...both Maj modes... G Maj scale has F# note in so C lydian is a Maj mode with a sharpened fourth....hope that makes sense

[JAYJO]

For some reason i was thinking Cmajor scale and not G. IE F lydian was creeping in to my head. Incidentally the Steve Khan Pentatonic Khancepts book deals with some of this stuff, hopefully i will be able to dig it out (house move)and read a bit more into this. Thanks Barny.

[adetheheat]

for Am7...you could look at the Bm penta took from the phrygian mode 3rd mode of G.. iff you looked the the Am as the 2nd chord of G....or it has notes took out of the A dorian scale....

for the Dm7...the Am penta can be derived from the aeolian mode 6th of C...the Dm7 is the 2nd chord of C

for the G9 by using A#m penta ..its giving alterations to the G9 chord ..#9.. b9..#5..b5..+ the b7..

for the C6....you have all the notes out of the C scale apart from the #4..F#..this will give a lydian sound..

hope it all makes sense...there will be other ways at looking at it...


you could play Am penta through the lot of it to with a jazz feel to stop inside..or to go outside a bit by playing the last 3 chords with the pentatonics moving up half steps...so you have different choices...

FGGGG!!!! Barney - how do you come up with this ? Seriously. Not piss taking. How could you comes up with A#m pen over G ?
I typed A#m into a chord and scale finder
http://www.chordsandscales.co.uk/finder/
and I couldn't see a G chord in there anywhere - even if I get it to add extra notes ...



I've read music theory books and they don't come out with stuff like that. So what's the starting ground for even beginning to come up with this stuff ?

[barney.]

FGGGG!!!! Barney - how do you come up with this ? Seriously. Not piss taking. How could you comes up with A#m pen over G ?
I typed A#m into a chord and scale finder
http://www.chordsandscales.co.uk/finder/
and I couldn't see a G chord in there anywhere - even if I get it to add extra notes ...

dont think of any relationships with scales...look at the notes,,for the G9 by using A#m penta ..its giving alterations to the G9 chord ..#9.. b9..#5..b5..+ the b7..these notes would be Bb...Ab.Eb...Db...and F....these are the alterations to the G7 chord ...they are also the notes of A#m pentatonic...ok you dont have the root 3rd and 5th..but the chords usualy have them in....

another would be G13b9....iff you play this chord in the 3rd pos...its like a normal D shape that we all know but on the 4th fret so it gives us a E chord...now add a F note on the D string and you have a G13b9 chord....so try playing a E triad over a G13b9.....

I've read music theory books and they don't come out with stuff like that. So what's the starting ground for even beginning to come up with this stuff ?

i think its best to learn chords first and how to form them, then see whatshapes you can see within them chords....like say...a easy one would be Em7 chord 7th fret theres a Gmaj7 arp in there...or Gmaj triad...how many places can you play that on the neck...

try a Gm pentatonic over a C9 chord..so penatonic up a 5th will work...over a 9th chord

i think iff you know the different chords you can see the notes better...after all the notes out of a chord played seperatly is a melody...

[Nik Harrison]

I wouldn't think in terms of scales. I would think about notes. Really break it down and think about how all the different notes sound to you over/against each chord. Create your own individual sound by really thinking about how each note feels and try not to be too led by prescriptive theory or established choices that would be recognized as "academically correct". Try each note against each chord and see how you feel about them. Then try a couple of notes over each chord and again, assess the outcome. Then three notes... and build from there...