hank marvin apache matteson's tone?

[dakwah]

Hi can anyone enlighten me on how to get the tone to apache in the matteson's advert?
it's hard to describe in the sense that it is not typical of other guitarists tone.

Is there compression or something else?

thanks guys,

Stan

[erictheweary]

I don't know but TV ads are compressed to hell so I think that probably would bring you closer to the sound on the ad.

But a strat, Vox AC30 ( I think) and a good analogue delay are the ingredients on the original.

[Lixarto]

But a strat, Vox AC30 ( I think) and a good analogue delay are the ingredients on the original.

Pretty much it - and hold the vibrato arm in the crook of your little finger - Hank says that dictates the right place to pick as well as use of the bar.

[Danny1969]

I don't think Hank used a Strat or a Vox AC30 for the original recording of Apache, and the later 60's version was a Burns I think. List of echos is here :

http://www.tvsspecialtyproducts.com/page8.htm

The key to sounding like Hank is all the Vibrato comes from the bar rather than the fretting hand and the timing of the echos is crucial. I was running FOH at Shadow Mania this year and every song is a different echo patch. The best known collection is called Echo's from the past .... you can get various units programmed, Alesis Q10 is popular.

[thing]

Mate of mine does a Shads tribute act, he has an old Roland unit that I believe Hank used to use and he gets as close a sound as I've heard, plus the Vox and Strat obviously. I stand to be corrected but I always thought that Hank played Apache on the Strat that Cliff bought for him?

[dakwah]

thanks for all the help. That vintage tone is quite elusive to me. I'm sure some of you have nailed it with your gear

Stan

[erictheweary]

I don't think Hank used a Strat or a Vox AC30 for the original recording of Apache, and the later 60's version was a Burns I think. List of echos is here :

http://www.tvsspecialtyproducts.com/page8.htm

The key to sounding like Hank is all the Vibrato comes from the bar rather than the fretting hand and the timing of the echos is crucial. I was running FOH at Shadow Mania this year and every song is a different echo patch. The best known collection is called Echo's from the past .... you can get various units programmed, Alesis Q10 is popular.

10 minutes on google suggests that by the time of the original 1960 recording of Apache Hank was using a strat ( the one bought by Cliff in 1959)through Vox amps ( but around the AC15 to AC30 transitional period so could have been either as far as I can see) and that's a Gibson J200 on the rhythm.He'd used an Antoria and borrowed guitars on the earliest recordings ( as the Drifters).

Hank didn't start using Burns until 1963/4.

EDIT: Hank uses different strats live for older material than newer stuff. As I recall this is so he can use a heavier gauge string for the older material to get the sound and feel right.Quick google suggests 12-56 for the vintage material, 10-46 for the modern.

[Danny1969]

10 minutes on google suggests that by the time of the original 1960 recording of Apache Hank was using a strat ( the one bought by Cliff in 1959)through Vox amps ( but around the AC15 to AC30 transitional period so could have been either as far as I can see) and that's a Gibson J200 on the rhythm.He'd used an Antoria and borrowed guitars on the earliest recordings ( as the Drifters).

Hank didn't start using Burns until 1963/4.

EDIT: Hank uses different strats live for older material than newer stuff. As I recall this is so he can use a heavier gauge string for the older material to get the sound and feel right.Quick google suggests 12-56 for the vintage material, 10-46 for the modern.

Well I personally don't know but a lot of Shadows nuts think is was a Gretch on some of the very early recordings. Bruce Welch was there at Shadow Mania a few weeks back, he has already stated it was a Strat on Apache but who knows. Back then before the days of multitrack recording and edits bands would play the same song until it was right all the way through. Some takes might have been a Strat, some the Gretch. The released take of Apache has a darker sound than some of the other stuff like Man of Mystery, especially on the muted pre chorus, even through a an AC15 with exactly the right vintage echo is doesn't sound quite right on a Strat to me

Here's an interesting link with lots of info by a chap who's very dedicated to copying that early sound :

http://www.oldboys.se/dokument/gretsch.htm

[saturnfive]

Sounds to me like a tape echo with a slight modulation (wow / flutter) is a big factor.

[stickyfiddle]

Flatwound strings are the ingredient most miss. Strats sound awesome with flatwounds.