New Fender Pedals

[Dave_Mc]

But very difficult. The problem is the treble pass cap in the reverb mixer stage of the BF/SF circuit, and it's very difficult to fix that from in front of the amp - or not without making it sound muddy into an amp without the same circuit.

Maybe a switch on the pedal to kill all the high top-end when going into a BF amp would work, though...

yeah

or just clone a rat

careful, i'm gonna start waxing lyrical about that filter control again

[ICBM]

I'm sure it's difficult, but I expect Fender could stick a bit of R&D money and come up with something interesting rather than dropping another TS clone on the market.

Or even anything that looks decent quality and more interesting than most other pedals. Even Marshall managed it with those little silver ones - they may not be fantastic quality, but they at least *look* well made, and certainly distinctive. (And I do think most of them sound very good, too.)

Suhr seem to have made a good pedal for a Twin.

Is that the Riot? The demos of that I've heard sound quite muddy, so if they're not using a BF amp that would explain it.

yeah

or just clone a rat

careful, i'm gonna start waxing lyrical about that filter control again

Ha, yes that works . BF/SF amp - turn filter control higher. Bassman/Marshall - turn filter control lower...

[Dave_Mc]

(a) Is that the Riot? The demos of that I've heard sound quite muddy, so if they're not using a BF amp that would explain it.

(b) Ha, yes that works . BF/SF amp - turn filter control higher. Bassman/Marshall - turn filter control lower...

(a) i thought the riot sounded pretty fizzy in any clips I've heard. Granted, we might have been listening to different clips.

(b) haha yeah

[monquixote]

Is that the Riot? The demos of that I've heard sound quite muddy, so if they're not using a BF amp that would explain it.

Riot into Twin

[ICBM]

Riot into Twin

Exactly... the pedal into the Twin is boxy and muddy, and that's even *with* a BF-type amp. The Soldano amp is far more open. It's much more noticeable on chords than single notes - and not helped by the nasal tone he's using, or possibly the recording, but it's still really obvious.

[monquixote]

Exactly... the pedal into the Twin is boxy and muddy, and that's even *with* a BF-type amp. The Soldano amp is far more open. It's much more noticeable on chords than single notes - and not helped by the nasal tone he's using, or possibly the recording, but it's still really obvious.

Weird I think the opposite the Soldano sounds like it's got a blanket over it to me.

[ICBM]

Weird I think the opposite the Soldano sounds like it's got a blanket over it to me.

Seriously? When he switches to the Soldano you hear an obvious increase in top-end and less mid mud. What speakers are you listening through? (Not trying to be funny.)

I've also noticed he appears to be using the Normal channel of the Twin - that might explain it to an extent, since that channel doesn't have the treble-pass cap as it has no reverb mixer stage. Although all the demos of that pedal I've heard so far seem to be the same.

[Dave_Mc]

^ and even in that clip i think you can hear a bit of top-end fizz on the riot (and i like fizz, to a certain extent)

playing through different amps he could easily have them at slightly different volumes or something. that's what it sounds like to me. the soldano sounds better to me, but it also sounds a little more in the background.

EDIT: that's also a good point about the nasal tone, as well- he has the TR clean tone dialled in in such a way that i don't really like the clean tone i.e. he's very likely having to compromise his clean tone to make the pedal sound better. Which, to me anyway, sorta defeats the purpose of using a pedal.

"I use a pedal so I can get nice cleans- those high gainers don't have nice enough cleans for my liking!"

"But don't you end up compromising the clean tone of your amp so the pedal sounds good? In effect, you end up with both your clean and dirty tones compromised. At least with a good high gainer you'd have badass dirty tones."

"..."

I actually keep meaning to make a thread on this very subject, but never get round to it. Maybe I'll do it now. Or not. My laziness might win. Or my "not wanting to look like a pretentious prat" sense might win.

EDIT #2: I also wonder what speakers he's using with the soldano. that's a marshall cab, and they sound a bit like g12t75s to my ears- which are pretty scooped etc. They wouldn't be my choice with a soldano (I'd at least want to combine them with something else).

[monquixote]

Seriously? When he switches to the Soldano you hear an obvious increase in top-end and less mid mud. What speakers are you listening through? (Not trying to be funny.)

I've also noticed he appears to be using the Normal channel of the Twin - that might explain it to an extent, since that channel doesn't have the treble-pass cap as it has no reverb mixer stage. Although all the demos of that pedal I've heard so far seem to be the same.

A pair of HD600s so that's definitely not the problem!

I don't think it's an especially useful comparison as the two amps aren't vaguely set to the same sound.
I really don't like the sound of that Soldano in the video though. It sounds like everything I don't like about high gain amps.

That said though I prefer it to the Soldano I wouldn't want to sound like the Twin in the vid either I use my Riot with much less gain and with the treble rolled back as it can get fizzy. I posted it more of a comparison to how massively shit most distortion pedals (DS1 for example) sound like into a Twin.

These two vids sound a bit better.

[ICBM]

A pair of HD600s so that's definitely not the problem!

I don't think it's an especially useful comparison as the two amps aren't vaguely set to the same sound.

No, but the Twin just sounds muddy compared to the Soldano anyway, and the pedal makes it worse...!

I really don't like the sound of that Soldano in the video though. It sounds like everything I don't like about high gain amps.

OK. I quite liked it, although it was still way too middy really - but that might be the recording.

These two vids sound a bit better.

Really?!!

They both have a big problem that the base clean sound is dull and muddy, but even so the pedal has no top-end at all. It really does sound like the proverbial "blanket over the speaker".

The second clip is *horrible*. One of the worst clean sounds I've ever heard to start with and then the pedal just takes it to a new level of honky nasal cardboardy mud. It sounds like it's going through a stuck wah almost. On the other hand the recording is at least partly to blame because his voice sounds like he's on the phone as well.

There is no real top-end at all in any of these clips. No brightness, no sparkle, no edge, nothing.

I genuinely have no idea what it is that you're hearing as good in these clips, sorry!

I would *much* rather hear a DS-1 through a Twin - and I don't even like overly bright sounds. I really detest muddy ones though.