Sperzel vs Schaller Locking tuners

[IanCorps]

The Fat finger Thread !!! ah well more snake oil ..

[ICBM]

Machinehead mass definitely affects tone though. Even the keys can, it they're heavy metal ones - I swapped the large 'D' keys on the Grovers on my Gibson acoustic for wooden ones, for exactly that reason. Noticeable change in tone. I repeated it several times both ways and it was clearly real - I think I would have been able to tell blind, too... although not if I hadn't already been familiar with the guitar.

It's not always for the worse either - I had a '61 J-45 once that had Schaller M6s on it when I got it. I replaced them with the modern Schaller keystones - mainly for the look, to be honest - and the tone improved. When I sold it, the new owner refitted the original Kluson-style strip tuners, and it didn't sound as good! So clearly there was an optimum mass there.

[guitargeek62]

Pft, you're all wrong!

Gotoh Vintage Magnum-Locking tuners with height adjustable posts are the way forward, or simply staggerred if you want a more solid string post.

I've had them on nearly every guitar of mine for the past 6 years, no issues at all. Schallers are generally very good, and Sperzels have a decent reputation but I've never got on with them and find that the strings still slip too easily (and no, it's not due to over-tightening). I was a bit put-off by the nylon pistons on the last set of Sperzels I had, these aren't on all of them though so I don't know what the status is currently.

[maltingsaudio]

Pft, you're all wrong!

Gotoh Vintage Magnum-Locking tuners with height adjustable posts are the way forward, or simply staggerred if you want a more solid string post.

I've had them on nearly every guitar of mine for the past 6 years, no issues at all. Schallers are generally very good, and Sperzels have a decent reputation but I've never got on with them and find that the strings still slip too easily (and no, it's not due to over-tightening). I was a bit put-off by the nylon pistons on the last set of Sperzels I had, these aren't on all of them though so I don't know what the status is currently.

Ok I find them far too fiddly its sperzels all the way for me

[guitargeek62]

1) Pull string through gap.
2) Hold string whilst turning post.
3) Tune to pitch.

Yup, very fiddly

[felineguitars]

Sperzel seem to have fixed the problem with the thumbwheel coming off and the pin falling out (unless you are massively heavy handed with them)
Sperzel are also available in shiny finish options - look way better on some guitars
The non -locking sperzels (often overlooked) are excellant tuners

I do also love the Gotoh ones but find the sperzels light weight and ease of use the reason I always go back to them

[DrBob]

I must confess I haven't got any first hand experience but I really like the look of these:

http://store.hipshotproducts.com/car...t_detail&p=246

I've got Sperzels on my Tyler, they seem fine though so no need to change

[maltingsaudio]

1)
2) Hold string whilst turning post.

Yup, very fiddly

Yup thats the bit which gets me two hands ..... sperzel pull string through and do up thumbwheel one hand

[BradGuitar]

Thanks for the replies! I think I'm leaning towards the Sperzels...

[WezV]

I must confess I haven't got any first hand experience but I really like the look of these:

http://store.hipshotproducts.com/car...t_detail&p=246

I've got Sperzels on my Tyler, they seem fine though so no need to change

i have some of those waiting to go on something, they are very nicely built. still weightier than the sperzels though


also, sperzels are pretty awesome to deal with direct if you need custom stuff like extra wide string holes