Free the tone/providence sov2 description.

[darcym]

I didn't say it was better because it was expensive.

I said it was no co-incidence that the pedals that sounded better where the more expensive ones, suggesting there was more in them than the "it's just £5 worth of parts smashed together ripping of other peoples designs".

That doesn't mean expensive is better, I have cheap pedals that I use with a smile.

[HeartfeltDawn]

ammusing I also depend on the bluesbreaker pedal

Where in the pedal chain do you have it?

[darcym]

first thing I hit

[Dave_Mc]

I didn't say it was better because it was expensive.

I said it was no co-incidence that the pedals that sounded better where the more expensive ones, suggesting there was more in them than the "it's just £5 worth of parts smashed together ripping of other peoples designs".

there are verified examples of super-expensive pedals (not necessarily this one) which do consist of precisely that, though. And which people were saying, "This is a game changer!" about just before the truth came out (often even after the truth came out). To imply otherwise suggests naivety verging on "sticking head in the sand" syndrome.

That's not to say there aren't some original circuits- there are. The klon is original, as is the timmy (far as i'm aware). But there are a lot of non-original ones, or very-slightly-tweaked versions of existing circuits (which don't require a whole heap of knowledge to "design"... if I understand what they've done and why, it's not terribly complex!).

of course, making things in the west is inherently expensive, and I'm not saying that people should work for nothing or anything like that, nor that a product which requires skill to make and design which contains £5 worth of parts is therefore only worth £5. But if you can mass produce a good-sounding, reliable pedal for not a whole heap of money, it's debatable how much use those super-expensive pedals are and what they're bringing to the market- especially if they're slight tweaks on existing designs. I'd say they're not analogous to amps or guitars either, as both of those contain inherently expensive materials or processes which *do* sound better, as opposed to pedals where it's arguably not as important. That's not to say I want a bad-sounding pedal- of course I don't. But a £25 Joyo or Mooer sounds "pretty good". Compare that to a £25 guitar or a £20 amp.

In my opinion.

EDIT: of course, whether those cheaper pedals are reliable is another thing. But I'd also say that boutique pedals can break too, as (i think) those 3pdt switches are almost inherently unreliable.

I think the philosophy I'm coming round to is there's a going rate for things. Anything which is either a lot cheaper or a lot dearer starts my warning bells ringing.

[HeartfeltDawn]

there are verified examples of super-expensive pedals (not necessarily this one) which do consist of precisely that, though. And which people were saying, "This is a game changer!" about just before the truth came out (often even after the truth came out). To imply otherwise suggests naivety verging on "sticking head in the sand" syndrome.

The Clay Jones Overdrive immediately comes to mind. Oh, and the Freekish Blues amusement.

[HeartfeltDawn]

first thing I hit

So the lack of true bypass doesn't worry you?

[IanCorps]

True Bypass is generally a load of old Horse Testicles anyway , supposedly Millennium Bypass is the way to go , so I have been informed by pedal building elves

[Dave_Mc]

^ i thought millennium was just a way of implementing true bypass using a dpdt switch?

I don't think i'd say true bypass is rubbish... just claims are made about it which stretch the truth.

The Clay Jones Overdrive immediately comes to mind. Oh, and the Freekish Blues amusement.

yeah (allegedly!). Or landgraff (allegedly!).

Heck i had someone on tgp not too long ago (like, a few months, so well after the whole freekish thing came out... allegedly!) telling me the freekish had mojo while the joyo didn't. that's after he knew what was going on. Mystifying.

[darcym]

So the lack of true bypass doesn't worry you?

Not at all. Sounds great

[IanCorps]

Pedals will always generate a lot of discussion and controversy , all good fun really I'm a great believer in whatever works for you thats cool , although not all of us can blow £350 etc on 1 pedal , compromises are made and this encourages experimentation and pedal builders to modify and innovate. Also , whats wrong with a good guitar a lead and a set of hot valves .