Nuendo - End of the road for Cubase?

[mutedcensor]

Does anyone have a view on whether Nuendo 2.0 spells the end for Cubase? Granted it is much more expensive but will Steinberg offer cut-down version (like SL) to get the Cubase customers ineterested?

It just seems logical to me so that they don't have to support to parallel products.

[clootie]

You know something mate, the whole Nuendo / SX pantomine is a huge joke. Steinbergs dual 'flagship' marketing is a disaster...

Firstly they tell us that SX is their 'king' product & that Nuendo wont have SX's midi capabilities & is primarily for 'post production'. Now Nu 2 is out it has more features than SX does.
A trip over to the Cubase.net forum only tells to well whats going on with this whole pantomine; droves of unhappy customers, being told one thing by Steinberg only for them to do the exact opposit. For well over the last year a 'leapfrogging' culture has existed in the Steinberg project camp, iow - not enough work force & trying to keep on top of two high end apps. What happens? Nuendo gets precedence...

Quote:
"No updates for SX in 6 months!!

Probably the reason why we've seen hardly any feature improvements or re-additions in SX in over a year.

Probably the reason SX was released without enough features and lots of loose ends."

Theyre now telling us that Nuendo WILL have all of SX's features, so where does the customer stand who wants the very best of what Steinberg have to offer?
Go buy our new 'Flagship'- Nuendo 2, which imo is just BS. The customer who paid through the nose for SX in the 1st place is now being railroaded by the marketing dept. to buy Nuendo 2.

Those Cubase forums are just full of BS promises sent down to the Mods [nothing whatsoever to do with Steinberg production] by the Marketing dept...

If they dont sort their act out sharpish people are gonna be leaving the whole Steinberg platform for good. & why should SX owners buy Nuendo? The SX/ Nuendo scenario stinks...

+ It would be nice for once if they released an update for SX which actually worked for once, again promises of 1.06, but where the hell is it? [Probably now being worked on now that Nuendo has been finished...]


Williams will soon be offering odds on SX to work properly... 14/1 that it does by 2006... :mrgreen:


[Oh, theyve also officially 'promised' us that SX 2 will have ALL Nuendo 2's features (including the new Audio engine) but bar the TV/Video post production additions; which wont be much use to a musician anyway. Do you see what I mean about the whole promises & runaround culture?]

[Big Throbbing Gristle]

I agree Clootie these big firms eg steinberg and emagic are driving me nuts ,when they release/upgrade a product we pay cash to beta test it for 6 mnths grrrrrr I know a fair number of people switching to other platforms musys fruityloops etc.I think you get a bigger bang for your buck with these firms as they are trying to build a user base rather than creating bloatware

[mutedcensor]

Becuase I am new to all this I initially went out and bought Music Stuidio 2003 which is great to learn the basics etc. Slightly odd and fiddly UI though.

I appreciate the posts and I think they ring true for alot of people who have invested ALOT of money in Cubase. I personally haven't so I don't have this raging objection to being pushed down this route or that.

Would your thoughts be the same if Stenberg released Nuendo, but instead called it Cubase XXS and provided a reasonable upgrade path?

As for bugs etc in new products - this holds true in all walks of life. You pay the price for being the early adopters but you benefit from being leading edge. It's a choice you make.

[clootie]

Well personally MC, imo SX should NEVER have been bought out period...

They should have stuck with one or the other [which would have been Nuendo; being the first out with this type of GUI].

By the time SX 2 arrives what have we got?

Two almost identical applications... [bar Nu 2's Video post prod., which Im not interested in]

In the meantime, us 'lowly' SX owners have to play the waiting game & then theyll make us pay for the 'catch up'...

Its also true what Big Throbbing Gristle says, in that we're used by these large companies as paying Beta testers...

Why cant all companies follow the Propellerheads business method: They do proper 'free' Beta testing [in which their customers do said tests & suggest 'improvements', which ARE usually implemented in the Final release]
Theres one thing you could never say about the good old Props: There apps ALWAYS work properly & are always rock solid in stability, BEFORE they ever go out the door...

[mutedcensor]

Clootie - I hinted towards this in my original post - but why not have the 1 product Nuendo and then cut out all the video rubbish that the music guys don't want and aim it at that market with a bundle of extra plug-ins for the musicians.

That way it is likely that both camps end up with a stable core software platform and everybody's happy.

Free beta testing is a good idea. Everyone wims there. I still think though that if you early adopt "release" software you have to expect the worst. Windows cam out with major fix releases weeks after full release, after a free beta test programme.

It a complicated world where you have so many strains of hardware and software - some have major problems and some have none at all. It is very unlikely you will satisfy everyone first time out - but there must a solution path - which is where SX let's people down now.

[kamina]

Nuendo and cubase have traditionally been aimed at a diferant croud, and I don't see that ending now. Sure they could have upgraded cubase at the same time, but they are probably working on it all the time. The underlying code is pretty much the same, it's more a question of what to put / leave out. Nuendo is so expensive, that it would drop out a whole market area, and I don't think they'll be doing that. I also don't see a problem in having a longer gap between product releases. I do think they should upgrade it to a stable state before jumping on another product though...

Big companies, big beaurocracy...

When cubase came out, nuendo users where complaining about missing features in nuendo, now it's the other way around. When they upgrade cubase, it will start again... I guess it could be a good idea to name cubase as nuendo le or what ever, but that could do bad for sales on both sides of the camp...

[neil wilkes]

Nuendo always was marketed as the "flagship" product. Personally, I use Nuendo and have done since version 1.0 as it is so damned good. Admittedly Nu2 is not quite there yet, but who here can remember version 2 of Logic? Cubase 3 didn't even have Audio capability, so stop worrying about what one is the "best" and concentrate on what you bought the software for - making music!
How does the fact that Nuendo has more features than SX stop you making music with it? Is it hindering you in some way?

[clootie]

Youve totally missed my point Mr Wilkes, I had Nuendo 1 but sold it & got SX. The reason was simple...
The initial Nu 1 had very limited midi functions & its performance on certain VSTi/FX was poor. + as Ive already said Nuendo was pigeon holed as a post production app. [No use to me whatsoever...]

No, its the leapfrogging culture I dont like, I wont swap back & go to Nu 2 in a month of Sundays as Im getting fairly comfortable with SX now, but its all the lies & crap Steinberg keep foisting on its customers that pisses me off [& 1000 more like me...]

As Ive said above, Nu 2 / by the time SX 2 is released will be IDENTICAL applications bar the post prod. additions of Nu 2. But dont take my word for it, go & see what the 'official' Steinberg line is on the Cubase Forums...
They claim that by them being so identical in the future & using the same engine etc, that they can update both at roughly the same time [again this I think is rubbish, what company do you know that releases updates for more than one app on the SAME day??]

+ I dont think you can make comparisons to early Logic & Cubase, esp. on what they could do. We're living in a different time for a start where most of your multi functional Midi & Audio has been well 'tagged & bagged' or tamed, so to speak...

[Ytse]

Actually saw mister Steinberg last saturday in Rotterdam in person at a forum. Should have asked this question about Nuendo and Cubase SX. It's a good question. But what I noticed that most professionals
that were attending used Nuendo for the end product and Cubase for composing. Steinberg told that they have about 20 developers working on both Cubase and Nuendo.